Endgame Thoughts
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For posterity, if nothing else.
Okay, I'm on team loved it. It was not without flaws, but it gave me way more things I loved than things I did not love, and overall I really found it a testament to what had been built over the last decade. The references didn't just feel like references to me, but a celebration.
Things I loved
-- NEBULA. Nebula and Tony. Nebula and Gamora (which I now ship like burning). Nebula and complex character arcs. Just, yes. I never, ever expected her to get so much to do and I am thrilled.
-- Rhodey and Nebula! The unexpected team up I did not know I needed.
-- Rocket being the best, always.
-- Carol kicking ass, taking names, and getting a great haircut.
-- This is the most I've liked Steve in a long time. "I could do this all day" / "Yeah, I know." "That IS America's ass." "HAIL HYDRA." Getting to wield Mjolnir!
-- Just, the entire time heist. Every part of it
-- FUCKING SAM AS CAPTAIN AMERICA I CAN'T BELIEVE IT I'M SO HAPPY!
-- Pretty sure that nod sealed the deal on my shipping Bucky/Sam
-- Val! Val as king!
-- Everyone showing up through those portals. My HEART. My theater went insane and I loved it.
-- Peter meeting Carol, that was adorable.
-- Badass women team up moment. It was fanservice, but I loved it
-- Wong being so done with Strange's shit. "You wanted more?"
-- Strange's "one" finger moment
-- All things Scott Lang. I love him. His reunion with Cassie broke my heart. His fanboying of Steve is great.
-- And it should come as no surprise that I am just dying over how well my ship was served. All I wanted was some acknowledgment that Tony was specifically upset about Peter's death. What I got was "I lost the kid," Tony's entire early meltdown, Tony's entire fucking reason for changing his mind about the time heist being Peter, a holy shit you're alive facial expression that rivals Spike upon seeing Buffy, THAT HUG, and Peter getting the most tearful goodbye as Tony dies. Like. What. How.
Things I am more complicated about, but ultimately like
-- Tony and Pepper's kid. Thought I would hate this. Will definitely still AU this all away for most fic purposes. But in the context of the movie, Morgan was adorable, Tony as a dad was adorable, I'm good with it.
-- Tony dying. This was the thing I least wanted from the film, but I thought it was handled wonderfully, and was a good end to his arc. I would have had a hard time buying him choosing to ever let the superhero life go, so in retrospect, I think this was actually preferable to a chosen retirement. (It's less good than "injured so he can't be Iron Man, becomes the funder and Q of the new Avengers and still pops up to do stuff in all of Peter's movies" would have been, but that was probably too much wishful thinking.)
All that said, I am incredibly sad there will be no more Tony Stark in the MCU. I just. I'm sad about it. He remains forever and always my favorite.
-- Nat dying. I'm not sure how I feel about the choice from a meta perspective, I'm still working that out, and it ultimately may depend on what ends up happening with her movie. That said, I did like that it was *her* choice, and that she got it by beating Clint in a fight. And in general, I really loved the depth of their friendship.
-- Thor going off with the Guardians. I'm not sure if the film quite justified how it got there (even leaving aside the other problems mentioned below), but I am excited about the potential here. More Thor and Rocket!
-- I'm fine with Steve's ending. How the time travel of it all works makes my head hurt. I get why other people are not fine with it. But as someone who is basically like a non-fandom person when it comes to Steve -- I've seen all his movies, I like him well enough, but I don't care all that much -- this seemed fine.
Things I did not like or have some meh about
-- Nat not getting more of a memorial at some point
-- I wanted Tony and Carol to interact on screen. Now we're never going to get that.
-- Peter should have been at the playing of Tony's final recording (though FFH can correct this for me if he gets his own special recording please please please MCU).
-- They need to chill with the Thor v. Quill rivalry if they are keeping Thor interacting with the Guardians crew. We get it, it's gotten old now.
-- I am...confused about what the five year jump is going to mean for the functioning of the world going forward. I guess FFH might clear that up? But for now, confused.
The one thing I really hated
-- Thor's weight gain and depression being played as a joke. Just, ug. Why. Reject.
I'd love to hear your thoughts, too!
Okay, I'm on team loved it. It was not without flaws, but it gave me way more things I loved than things I did not love, and overall I really found it a testament to what had been built over the last decade. The references didn't just feel like references to me, but a celebration.
Things I loved
-- NEBULA. Nebula and Tony. Nebula and Gamora (which I now ship like burning). Nebula and complex character arcs. Just, yes. I never, ever expected her to get so much to do and I am thrilled.
-- Rhodey and Nebula! The unexpected team up I did not know I needed.
-- Rocket being the best, always.
-- Carol kicking ass, taking names, and getting a great haircut.
-- This is the most I've liked Steve in a long time. "I could do this all day" / "Yeah, I know." "That IS America's ass." "HAIL HYDRA." Getting to wield Mjolnir!
-- Just, the entire time heist. Every part of it
-- FUCKING SAM AS CAPTAIN AMERICA I CAN'T BELIEVE IT I'M SO HAPPY!
-- Pretty sure that nod sealed the deal on my shipping Bucky/Sam
-- Val! Val as king!
-- Everyone showing up through those portals. My HEART. My theater went insane and I loved it.
-- Peter meeting Carol, that was adorable.
-- Badass women team up moment. It was fanservice, but I loved it
-- Wong being so done with Strange's shit. "You wanted more?"
-- Strange's "one" finger moment
-- All things Scott Lang. I love him. His reunion with Cassie broke my heart. His fanboying of Steve is great.
-- And it should come as no surprise that I am just dying over how well my ship was served. All I wanted was some acknowledgment that Tony was specifically upset about Peter's death. What I got was "I lost the kid," Tony's entire early meltdown, Tony's entire fucking reason for changing his mind about the time heist being Peter, a holy shit you're alive facial expression that rivals Spike upon seeing Buffy, THAT HUG, and Peter getting the most tearful goodbye as Tony dies. Like. What. How.
Things I am more complicated about, but ultimately like
-- Tony and Pepper's kid. Thought I would hate this. Will definitely still AU this all away for most fic purposes. But in the context of the movie, Morgan was adorable, Tony as a dad was adorable, I'm good with it.
-- Tony dying. This was the thing I least wanted from the film, but I thought it was handled wonderfully, and was a good end to his arc. I would have had a hard time buying him choosing to ever let the superhero life go, so in retrospect, I think this was actually preferable to a chosen retirement. (It's less good than "injured so he can't be Iron Man, becomes the funder and Q of the new Avengers and still pops up to do stuff in all of Peter's movies" would have been, but that was probably too much wishful thinking.)
All that said, I am incredibly sad there will be no more Tony Stark in the MCU. I just. I'm sad about it. He remains forever and always my favorite.
-- Nat dying. I'm not sure how I feel about the choice from a meta perspective, I'm still working that out, and it ultimately may depend on what ends up happening with her movie. That said, I did like that it was *her* choice, and that she got it by beating Clint in a fight. And in general, I really loved the depth of their friendship.
-- Thor going off with the Guardians. I'm not sure if the film quite justified how it got there (even leaving aside the other problems mentioned below), but I am excited about the potential here. More Thor and Rocket!
-- I'm fine with Steve's ending. How the time travel of it all works makes my head hurt. I get why other people are not fine with it. But as someone who is basically like a non-fandom person when it comes to Steve -- I've seen all his movies, I like him well enough, but I don't care all that much -- this seemed fine.
Things I did not like or have some meh about
-- Nat not getting more of a memorial at some point
-- I wanted Tony and Carol to interact on screen. Now we're never going to get that.
-- Peter should have been at the playing of Tony's final recording (though FFH can correct this for me if he gets his own special recording please please please MCU).
-- They need to chill with the Thor v. Quill rivalry if they are keeping Thor interacting with the Guardians crew. We get it, it's gotten old now.
-- I am...confused about what the five year jump is going to mean for the functioning of the world going forward. I guess FFH might clear that up? But for now, confused.
The one thing I really hated
-- Thor's weight gain and depression being played as a joke. Just, ug. Why. Reject.
I'd love to hear your thoughts, too!
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Date: 2019-04-27 04:33 pm (UTC)