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learnedfoot) wrote2019-04-27 12:01 pm
learnedfoot) wrote2019-04-27 12:01 pm
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Endgame Thoughts
For posterity, if nothing else.
Okay, I'm on team loved it. It was not without flaws, but it gave me way more things I loved than things I did not love, and overall I really found it a testament to what had been built over the last decade. The references didn't just feel like references to me, but a celebration.
Things I loved
-- NEBULA. Nebula and Tony. Nebula and Gamora (which I now ship like burning). Nebula and complex character arcs. Just, yes. I never, ever expected her to get so much to do and I am thrilled.
-- Rhodey and Nebula! The unexpected team up I did not know I needed.
-- Rocket being the best, always.
-- Carol kicking ass, taking names, and getting a great haircut.
-- This is the most I've liked Steve in a long time. "I could do this all day" / "Yeah, I know." "That IS America's ass." "HAIL HYDRA." Getting to wield Mjolnir!
-- Just, the entire time heist. Every part of it
-- FUCKING SAM AS CAPTAIN AMERICA I CAN'T BELIEVE IT I'M SO HAPPY!
-- Pretty sure that nod sealed the deal on my shipping Bucky/Sam
-- Val! Val as king!
-- Everyone showing up through those portals. My HEART. My theater went insane and I loved it.
-- Peter meeting Carol, that was adorable.
-- Badass women team up moment. It was fanservice, but I loved it
-- Wong being so done with Strange's shit. "You wanted more?"
-- Strange's "one" finger moment
-- All things Scott Lang. I love him. His reunion with Cassie broke my heart. His fanboying of Steve is great.
-- And it should come as no surprise that I am just dying over how well my ship was served. All I wanted was some acknowledgment that Tony was specifically upset about Peter's death. What I got was "I lost the kid," Tony's entire early meltdown, Tony's entire fucking reason for changing his mind about the time heist being Peter, a holy shit you're alive facial expression that rivals Spike upon seeing Buffy, THAT HUG, and Peter getting the most tearful goodbye as Tony dies. Like. What. How.
Things I am more complicated about, but ultimately like
-- Tony and Pepper's kid. Thought I would hate this. Will definitely still AU this all away for most fic purposes. But in the context of the movie, Morgan was adorable, Tony as a dad was adorable, I'm good with it.
-- Tony dying. This was the thing I least wanted from the film, but I thought it was handled wonderfully, and was a good end to his arc. I would have had a hard time buying him choosing to ever let the superhero life go, so in retrospect, I think this was actually preferable to a chosen retirement. (It's less good than "injured so he can't be Iron Man, becomes the funder and Q of the new Avengers and still pops up to do stuff in all of Peter's movies" would have been, but that was probably too much wishful thinking.)
All that said, I am incredibly sad there will be no more Tony Stark in the MCU. I just. I'm sad about it. He remains forever and always my favorite.
-- Nat dying. I'm not sure how I feel about the choice from a meta perspective, I'm still working that out, and it ultimately may depend on what ends up happening with her movie. That said, I did like that it was *her* choice, and that she got it by beating Clint in a fight. And in general, I really loved the depth of their friendship.
-- Thor going off with the Guardians. I'm not sure if the film quite justified how it got there (even leaving aside the other problems mentioned below), but I am excited about the potential here. More Thor and Rocket!
-- I'm fine with Steve's ending. How the time travel of it all works makes my head hurt. I get why other people are not fine with it. But as someone who is basically like a non-fandom person when it comes to Steve -- I've seen all his movies, I like him well enough, but I don't care all that much -- this seemed fine.
Things I did not like or have some meh about
-- Nat not getting more of a memorial at some point
-- I wanted Tony and Carol to interact on screen. Now we're never going to get that.
-- Peter should have been at the playing of Tony's final recording (though FFH can correct this for me if he gets his own special recording please please please MCU).
-- They need to chill with the Thor v. Quill rivalry if they are keeping Thor interacting with the Guardians crew. We get it, it's gotten old now.
-- I am...confused about what the five year jump is going to mean for the functioning of the world going forward. I guess FFH might clear that up? But for now, confused.
The one thing I really hated
-- Thor's weight gain and depression being played as a joke. Just, ug. Why. Reject.
I'd love to hear your thoughts, too!
Okay, I'm on team loved it. It was not without flaws, but it gave me way more things I loved than things I did not love, and overall I really found it a testament to what had been built over the last decade. The references didn't just feel like references to me, but a celebration.
Things I loved
-- NEBULA. Nebula and Tony. Nebula and Gamora (which I now ship like burning). Nebula and complex character arcs. Just, yes. I never, ever expected her to get so much to do and I am thrilled.
-- Rhodey and Nebula! The unexpected team up I did not know I needed.
-- Rocket being the best, always.
-- Carol kicking ass, taking names, and getting a great haircut.
-- This is the most I've liked Steve in a long time. "I could do this all day" / "Yeah, I know." "That IS America's ass." "HAIL HYDRA." Getting to wield Mjolnir!
-- Just, the entire time heist. Every part of it
-- FUCKING SAM AS CAPTAIN AMERICA I CAN'T BELIEVE IT I'M SO HAPPY!
-- Pretty sure that nod sealed the deal on my shipping Bucky/Sam
-- Val! Val as king!
-- Everyone showing up through those portals. My HEART. My theater went insane and I loved it.
-- Peter meeting Carol, that was adorable.
-- Badass women team up moment. It was fanservice, but I loved it
-- Wong being so done with Strange's shit. "You wanted more?"
-- Strange's "one" finger moment
-- All things Scott Lang. I love him. His reunion with Cassie broke my heart. His fanboying of Steve is great.
-- And it should come as no surprise that I am just dying over how well my ship was served. All I wanted was some acknowledgment that Tony was specifically upset about Peter's death. What I got was "I lost the kid," Tony's entire early meltdown, Tony's entire fucking reason for changing his mind about the time heist being Peter, a holy shit you're alive facial expression that rivals Spike upon seeing Buffy, THAT HUG, and Peter getting the most tearful goodbye as Tony dies. Like. What. How.
Things I am more complicated about, but ultimately like
-- Tony and Pepper's kid. Thought I would hate this. Will definitely still AU this all away for most fic purposes. But in the context of the movie, Morgan was adorable, Tony as a dad was adorable, I'm good with it.
-- Tony dying. This was the thing I least wanted from the film, but I thought it was handled wonderfully, and was a good end to his arc. I would have had a hard time buying him choosing to ever let the superhero life go, so in retrospect, I think this was actually preferable to a chosen retirement. (It's less good than "injured so he can't be Iron Man, becomes the funder and Q of the new Avengers and still pops up to do stuff in all of Peter's movies" would have been, but that was probably too much wishful thinking.)
All that said, I am incredibly sad there will be no more Tony Stark in the MCU. I just. I'm sad about it. He remains forever and always my favorite.
-- Nat dying. I'm not sure how I feel about the choice from a meta perspective, I'm still working that out, and it ultimately may depend on what ends up happening with her movie. That said, I did like that it was *her* choice, and that she got it by beating Clint in a fight. And in general, I really loved the depth of their friendship.
-- Thor going off with the Guardians. I'm not sure if the film quite justified how it got there (even leaving aside the other problems mentioned below), but I am excited about the potential here. More Thor and Rocket!
-- I'm fine with Steve's ending. How the time travel of it all works makes my head hurt. I get why other people are not fine with it. But as someone who is basically like a non-fandom person when it comes to Steve -- I've seen all his movies, I like him well enough, but I don't care all that much -- this seemed fine.
Things I did not like or have some meh about
-- Nat not getting more of a memorial at some point
-- I wanted Tony and Carol to interact on screen. Now we're never going to get that.
-- Peter should have been at the playing of Tony's final recording (though FFH can correct this for me if he gets his own special recording please please please MCU).
-- They need to chill with the Thor v. Quill rivalry if they are keeping Thor interacting with the Guardians crew. We get it, it's gotten old now.
-- I am...confused about what the five year jump is going to mean for the functioning of the world going forward. I guess FFH might clear that up? But for now, confused.
The one thing I really hated
-- Thor's weight gain and depression being played as a joke. Just, ug. Why. Reject.
I'd love to hear your thoughts, too!
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But:
- Tony's death (no matter how good it was handled),
- Thor becoming a cartoonish version of himself nobody took serious (get him help you idiots instead of rolling your eyes) really got to me and I'm not even a big fan of him.
- Bruce seemed also not himself. Did he lose brain cells while making peace with Hulk?
- Nats death was great for the feels but why didn't Nebula tell them about two going to that planet and only one coming back?
- Why was Carol so absent after Tony's rescue? I really wished she had more moments than the few she got (though that haircut was awesome).
- last but not least Steve. He's my least favorite and still I didn't get his character arc at all. Yes, he's was back to being the nice guy here and showed a sense of humour I didn't know he had in him, but he barely talked to Bucky. His pal for whom be split up the band of heroes he was in. Instead he stared longingly at Peggy's pic all the time and went back into the past and leave his 'till the end of the line friend' back in the future. I have so many issues with this even though I think Steve is a do-gooder with a limited sense of right and wrong.
Phew, I stop now and am sorry for rambling in your journal like this. This movie really rubbed me the wrong way. I...just stop.
But I'm looking forward to whatever fics you'll come up with for Peter and Tony (fix-its it not). :D
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why didn't Nebula tell them about two going to that planet and only one coming back?
FWIW, my headcanon for this is that she may have mentioned about Gamora dying, but didn't know why -- I don't think anyone actually knew about the Soul Stone trade, so it would have been easy to assume Thanos just killed Gamora for whatever weird reasons he had.
I totally understand why people don't like Steve's arc. It didn't bother me, but I really think that's just because my investment in him was so, so low, because all the critiques make sense to me intellectually.
But I'm looking forward to whatever fics you'll come up with for Peter and Tony
:D My biggest fear about this movie is that it would lose people from the ship because of The Death (despite, as I said, plenty of shipping fodder otherwise), so this is great to hear! For IRL reasons I have to take a break from writing for a few weeks, but after that I have so, so many ideas, some fix-its and Endgame AUs, some just AUing the heck out of everything and basically continuing to play in the post-IW "IDK, snap got unsnapped somehow, now we're a bit in the future" world I've been playing in.
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I do wish we had seen more of Carol interacting with anyone else in the team aside from helping in the battle & confronting Thanos at the beginning of the film. Like, yeah, I get she's superpowered when compared to the rest of the team (save Thor?) but it was a little weird to see her so detached from everyone else/off-screen for a large part of the film.
Even thought he wasn't shown during Tony's final recording, I do firmly believe that Peter (and Team Cap) was there too. Maybe they focused so much on Pepper and Morgan because Tony's message was directed at them? Hmm, I dunno.
I am...okay with the Thor vs. Quill thing. If only because I have negative enthusiasm for Quill (I get he is some ppl's fave, just not mine). Though,yeah, hopefully, the bulk of their dynamic won't be that for GotG Vol 3 because, like you said, that kind of stuff can get old v., v. fast.
Overall, I'm super excited about what's to come for the MCU (though I wish they'd hurry up and announce at least the next 3 movies already!) and feel that, even as a chapter comes to a close, there's a lot to look forward to. :D
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Yeah. I get why they didn't -- focus on the older character -- but it esp. makes me sad that now we'll never see her interact with Tony :(
Overall, I'm super excited about what's to come for the MCU (though I wish they'd hurry up and announce at least the next 3 movies already!) and feel that, even as a chapter comes to a close, there's a lot to look forward to. :D
Same! More Carol! More of my bb Peter! More Black Panther! More GOTG, with my girl Nebula still alive! New things! There is a lot to be excited for!